7 Sept 2012

David Allen Green finds me on Twitter...

Recently I posted a question to my Twitter followers including the words "David Allen Green". Rather unexpectedly, the man himself found that tweet and decided to reply to me directly. It's rather difficult lifting straight from Twitter to a Blogger page, but here is the best I could do of saving a copy of the "discussion" that then took place. (Apologies for duplicates and take care to note the relative times to get the sequence right).

The point from all this is (if you bother to read it), the likes of David Allen Green have outspoken views on the fact that Assange should be prosecuted in Sweden. This, in the eyes of many makes them defenders of the alleged victims in the case. However David constantly fails to take any account of the complete failure of the Swedish police and media to follow due process in the prosecution.

In summary, he isn't arguing in the interests of providing the best case for possible prosecution and the defence of alleged sexual assault victim's rights. He is arguing solely for the prosecution of Assange, with acute interest to detail of due process on the defence side, and complete disregard for due process on the side of the prosecution.
Knowing that and reading the below, can you honestly find David Allen Green an unbiased and well informed commentator on the case against Assange? Can you honestly say he is acting in the defence of the alleged victims? I can't. I find him unable to answer simple questions, evasive and resorting to producing an argument entirely unrelated to the state of the Swedish prosecution to defend his lack of ability to explain himself.

For the sake of it, David's sole defence is that Assange's lawyer misled the court by claiming Assange made himself available for further interview before leaving Sweden. You might be stunned to find the main references to this go back to an article written by David Allen Green. Point one. It's clearly stated in other accounts that Assange did offer to attend interviews and was refused by Sweden. David describes this as a "scathing comment" on Assange's lawyer. In fact it appears no more than a simply stated finding that the magistrate in this case found the Swedish prosecution had made attempts to interview Assange. Yes they did. They also refused to accept the times that Assange could make himself available. So who's the winner on that point? The point all of David's defence of his position rests... Is tenacious at best.

 Only if you agree to write a blog on inconsistencies in and the farce that is the Swedish prosecution.
 Go and read the judgment, and we can play again.
Question for people RT'ng David Allen Green. Are you aware of the complete disregard for due process by Swedish police, media etc?
 They are probably better informed than you realise about the process....
 Sorry My Green, it seems a simple question. Is the immediate leaking of case details to the press in Sweden due process?
 if it was an abuse of process then the court in Sweden is the place to deal with it. Ditto other seeming abuses of process.
 If the case is already un-chargeable by Swedish police malpractice, that's for prior to charge decision.
 Your arguments are based on the assumption charges already exist. They don't.
 Why are you entirely unconcerned that Sweden has not yet been able to place charges? Terrible prosecution isn't it?
 You are a troll. Any answer I give will just lead to another question, and so on, and so on...
 Hey. you bothered to find a tweet that didn't even @ you. Ok I'll wait for some answers then ...
 But you have no sincere interest in the answers. You will just come up with another question It is sad and pointless.
 Ok. We've established lack of due process in Sweden. How about the poor Swedish prosecution? Is that agreable?
 How about Assange's Swedish lawyer dishonestly misleading the English court? Or the false "sex by surprise" line? Any comment?
 I'm not aware of those points, do you have a link? But still. Can we agree Swedish police & prosecution is dire?
 You not aware that Assange's Swedish lawyer misled the Magistrates Court? Ok, I see. It is in the judgment. Do you know about law?
 Again. No wasn't aware of it. Do you have a link to detail so I can check? can we agree the Swedish prosecution is dire?
 You have not read the English Magistrates' Court judgment. Run along, read it, and then pose some questions on the relevant law.
 I thought a man in your position would have an interest in due process on both sides of such a case.

 Your answer seems to be "don't care, leave it to Sweden", or "Go read up on magistrates findings on Assange's lawyer".
 My original point, and continuing point is that the prosecution case is messed up by leaks and lack of due process.
 How about addressing how badly the alleged victims are being represented? That doesn't seem to be an issue?
 Interviews are highly unusual, case details leaked, case dropped then reinstated. Isn't helping the girls much is it?
 Again. No wasn't aware of it. Do you have a link to detail so I can check? can we agree the Swedish prosecution is dire?
 Hey. you bothered to find a tweet that didn't even @ you. Ok I'll wait for some answers then ...
 If we are arguing in defence of alleged victims, isn't Sweden's case bungling and lack of charges utterly terrible?
 Why are you entirely unconcerned that Sweden has not yet been able to place charges? Terrible prosecution isn't it?
 Yes. In the UK in would be up to the CPS to decide to advance the case.
 Your arguments are based on the assumption charges already exist. They don't.
 Do you know about law? How is a court going to decide if a case can be charged or not?
 The court will only be able to decide should charges be actually in place. They still are not.
 If the case is already un-chargeable by Swedish police malpractice, that's for prior to charge decision.
 Again, a matter for the Swedish court to determine.
 Isn't it a process for the prosecution to decide prior to bringing charges that may be dismissed anyway?
 Sorry My Green, it seems a simple question. Is the immediate leaking of case details to the press in Sweden due process?
 The police leaking details to the press in Sweden is due process then is it?
 They are probably better informed than you realise about the process....

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